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Hi If someone wrote "Tom is a friend of my brother's", you could ask "Tom is a friend of your brother's what? To me and possibly to me only the double genitive in English is as correct and as illogical as the double negative is correct and illogical in Spanish. Some things just have to be accepted as they are, though I'm usually one of the first to wonder about and not to know the why's and wherefore's. I daresay the double genitive is also possible in Spanish.
See: A friend of my brother : un amigo de mi hermano A friend of my brother's : un amigo de los de mi hermano. As someone said, among them, belonging to that group. Following this logic, it would be impossible the double genitive if there's no any group to select from; as in the mentioned nose case: la nariz de las de mi hermano. Also following this logic, it makes no sense the double genitive if the first noun the thing possessed is preceded by a definite article because it seems to restrict the whole group to the one selected by the definite article: el amigo de los de mi hermano.
All this with a Spanish speaking mind, but, do these two, say, rules make sense to an English mind? Last edited: Aug 17, Also following this logic, it makes no sense the double negative if the first noun the thing possessed is preceded by a definite article because it seems to restrict the whole group to the one selected by the definite article: el amigo de los de mi hermano.
A friend of mine. A friend of his. A friend of my brother's. That's the correct way to say it. Yes, Juandiego, I can see where you are coming from, and until someone else puts the spanner in the works , I would say that it makes perfect sense. I just think that you meant "double genitive" where you said "double negative". It was probably me who put you off with my comparison. Last edited: Aug 18, Irma Senior Member Madrid. Last edited: Aug 29, Irma said:. But the construction has been used in English since the 14th century and serves a useful purpose.
It can help sort out ambiguous phrases like Bob's photograph, which could refer either to a photograph of Bob that is, revealing Bob's image or to one in Bob's possession. A photograph of Bob's can only be a photo that Bob has in his possession, which may or may not show Bob's image. Moreover, in some sentences the double genitive offers the only way to express what is meant. There is no substitute for it in a sentence such as That's the only friend of yours that I've ever met , since sentences such as That's your only friend that I've ever met and That's your only friend, whom I've ever met are awkward or inaccurate.
But if the construction troubles you, just follow the example of grammarians Rodney Huddleston and Geoffrey Pullum and call it something else: "The oblique genitive construction is commonly referred to as the 'double genitive. However, we do not regard of as a genitive case marker, and hence there is only one genitive here, not two" The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language , The double possessive has been around since the fifteenth century, and is widely accepted.
It's extremely helpful, for instance, in distinguishing between "a picture of my father" in which we see the old man and "a picture of my father's" which he owns. Native speakers will note how much more natural it is to say "He's a fan of hers" than "he's a fan of her. Clarendon Press: Oxford, England. Used with the permission of Oxford University Press. Examples our own. You've got me thinking, Irma, with your suggestion that in the case you mention where there is no group there may be a nuance of criticism.
I can't quite make up my mind, and I hope you'll receive more opinions. Did you see that house of his? The use of beautiful is obviously positive, but what about the rest of the comment? I would definitely use it in "What a shame to waste that beautiful voice of hers" critical , but I think I might also use it in "I'm looking forward to hearing that beautiful voice of hers again at tonight's recital". I'm sorry I've given you no answers, but maybe my comments will encourage someone else to do so.
Are you fucking kidding me? Boredom, for a wild horse? It can't happen. Wild horses aren't familiar with this emotion. Cause they can just go jump over a brook they've never jumped over before. Justin: I have to imagine that for a wild horse, it's mainly about anxiety.
Cause they're very fast. And I could see a situation where you're in a conversation, deep with another horse friend, and then all of a sudden you look at them and think "Hey, Rodrigo, have you seen any grass for a while? There's no grass. Justin: They're in a parking lot, and he says "Oh great, this is gonna be on the news. Who was following who? Griffin: I'm feeling Annoyance right now. Which could be upgraded to Anger 1 if something doesn't change. Justin: If you keep running your fuckin' mouth, Rodrigo, it's gonna get upgraded to Anger 2 and you don't want to see that. So maybe just relax and let me figure this out.
Compassion: Edit Griffin: Aw, he's got a fat rider. That's too bad. Did you see Lucy? Lucy's got a fat rider. I know, ugh poor thing. Poor dear. Justin: If you are a being that is mainly bred to be ridden, and you can still work up compassion for anything else, god bless you.
That is a beautiful reserve of good will you have in you. Travis: Well, they feel bad for the burros. Griffin: Sure. Sure they do. Travis: For the burros! Griffin: Yeah, no, roll the r's because it's not authentic if you don't. Travis: For the burrrrros! Griffin: Thank you. Justin: I don't know what animal you're talking about if you don't roll the r.
Contentment: Edit Griffin: Very few horses, I imagine, feel this. Orb appreciates the fact that he has reached the physical fucking apex of possibly any creature on the planet. Justin: It's just anxiety, right? That's a lot of pressure. Griffin: Am I going to be able to fucking keep up this perfect body until the Preakness? They're gonna shower me in oats after this fucking thing.
Travis: What if I can't perform my stud duties? Griffin: Oh man. I bet Orb fucks like a cylinder. Travis: Like a stallion. Justin: There's a whole saying where someone says they're hung like a you. Curiosity: Edit Justin: Doubtful. Travis: Based on what?? Griffin: Why is that doubtful? Justin: Like, what are they curious about? They have everything they need hand delivered to them. Perhaps these same puppies would have had similar experiences if adopted into multi dog households….
I personally think that its a great advantage to have an adult dog in the house to guide and teach the puppy what is appropriate. I try to stagger the ages of my dogs and keep them a couple years apart in age. I personally know of 3 separate people who adopted littermates and returned one of the two puppies within the first 6 months. In all cases it was just more work than they anticipated and too overwhelming.
They play good and wear each other out!! We work with them separately. I always assumed that was one of the reasons we had none of the issues mentioned as far as training and bonding were concerned. BUT, I still attributed that to one being in the house first, and the second being both a bit more submissive and so thankful to be in a good home after a not so ideal placement in his first home that he rolled with whatever situation came up.
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One thing to think about though…It was absolutely devastating to lose them both within 13 months of each other…. We got two male german shepherd pups at the same time. They were sired by the same father but two different mothers-only 2 months apart in age. They seemed to bond with us well but we had many aggression issues as they matured. That improved somewhat after they were neutered but still was an issue at times. They were also dog aggressive toward other dogs…most of which, I believe, was our fault for not socializing them well enough while they were young.
I exercised them separately most of the time unless my husband and I both could go but they traveled with us, were smart and lived to be 12 and They were great dogs and we learned a lot with them. I would not get 2 pups again at the same time…especially 2 males. We were told to keep them completely separate or rehome one.
It was tough to do, but I think we did the best thing for both dogs. Along the way we gained a love of training and how smart our pups are. My experience with Irish Wolfhounds has been similar to the first poster, Marijane with her Afghans. I have had no problems at all with attachment or training. These puppies also had their mother, often grandmother and aunts and uncles to grow up with too.
I felt they benefitted in their physical development by playing with each other in ways no human could duplicate. But, would I sell someone two puppies from a litter? Probably not to the typical pet owner. To another breeder? Possibly, it would depend upon the circumstances. Will there be other dogs, or just the two together in the house with no other dogs around. I wonder a lot if that has an influence. My gut says that it might.
Two females may or may not get along, depending on temperament spaying might make aggression less likely, but not necessarily. Perhaps have your vet talk to a veterinary behaviorist? However, I did want to add that I just added to the blog to make it clear that sometimes it works out beautifully to adopt litter mates. I meant to say that in the article but forgot to add it in yesterday when I originally wrote it. Wish we had some good research! I have 2 litter mates a male and a female and also had their mother until they were 6. No fighting with eachother, no aggression over food, maybe the male was slightly more dominant over our attention but the female was more dominant in other areas.
Greetings, I am wondering if you can give any advice to the retired-racing-greyhound adoption folks. The pups stay with their litter-mates for many months leading up to their arrival at the track at around 16 months old. Some litter-mates are schooled for racing at the same kennel under the same trainer and staff, although the males and females are split up as they race intact. Retired dogs are years in age when adopted out of the industry depending on their success and aptitude for racing. Many people seek out litter-mates to reunite the dogs or want a similar temperament to add to their pack.
Greyhound people often take in more than one hound. Thanking you in advance for any insight as I too toy with the idea of adopting my current males full brother when his days of winning come to an end. Gone are the days when they were euthanized. The adoption groups work very hard selecting good homes to make this happen for the dogs whether they are pro or anti racing. I have read many times about this topic and I guess for most people having two pups, whether from the same litter or not, may be a difficult thing to raise them.
But I am a dog musher and I usually keep the entire litter! I have no issues with my dogs bonding more with each other than with me. They do not bully or are aggressive! Heck dogs I have rescued are the aggressive ones. My dogs worked together as a team and know their jobs. I would not hesitate at all keeping littermates. I have two Shetland Sheepdogs that are brother and sister who just turned 6 years old. For example my female Rylea is afraid of fireworks and similar noises and is okay to go lay on the bed until they stop. My male Trevor is a whiner when we go to the vet.
I raised them in a blocked off space by my recliner in my living room. They had a play pen, toys to chew and my total supervision for the first to weeks with me. It bonded the three of us tremendously and they were so much fun to watch play and play with. Never a fight, one serious growl from Rylea when Trevor came to her bowl while she was eating and Rylea seems to get aggressive in keeping Trevor back when she sees stuff outside and barks at it. He simply steps out of her way and ignores it. If she gets too aggressive he simply responds and puts her in her place.
NEVER a fight or anything close to it though. I always make sure that each one gets the same anything as the other:treats, walks, petting, play etc. I truly believe it is in the way you chose to raise them or not raise them but leave them to themselves. Plus if you wait a year or two to get the second, the older one really helps with the training!
On the other hand, kitten siblings are wonderful, especially if they are indoor cats — ours have kept us laughing for more than three years now! I am one of those breeders who kept littermates — not once but twice. The first time I kept two males and the second time a male and a female. However, I would not place two puppy littermates with one owner. Having seen how closely littermates could bond, I vowed in both cases not to let that happen. One did conformation; the other did therapy work. In summary, it is twice the work to raise littermates, since each one has to have private time with me and separate interests that we can do together without the other.
And while in each case, the work paid off because my littermates were fine together and equally fine apart without aggression or dependence , in the first litter, the boys died 6 months apart. Losing two beloved dogs within 6 months of each other was so hard. I have, on occasion, placed littermates, but only to experienced homes and puppies who are already confident, independent pups.
I recommend getting one puppy, then when the puppy is anywhere between months and housetrained and through the chewing stage, add a second pup. They are still close enough in age that they will play, but the older pup can help train the younger rather than act as partners in crime! I have terriers and they are a different type of dog than any other group of dogs. These dogs were bred to kill — rats, otters, fox, badgers, groundhogs, etc. I have multiple dogs and I have successfully and unsuccessfully kept littermates and I have kept two puppies from different litters. It requires a lot of management to be successful.
Housetraining is more difficult — you never know which one had the accident unless you see it happen. Barking is a greater issue as they encourage one another in their vocal communications — one starts and the other has to join in. Males fight for dominance. Usually, when one male gives up, the fight ends. However, if the males are equally matched, that may mean major damage and even death. Because of the potential for major issues, I do not place pairs of puppies nor do I place a single pup with someone who already has a pup.
There are way too many problems that can arise. If someone has a pup, they can get a second one if their first grows up to be 2 years old and is very well mannered and under good vocal control. Otherwise, the older dog will teach the new pup all of its bad behaviors. They had been abandoned in a rural area and had apparently fended for themselves for a little while. They were not in particularly good health when I got them and one was terribly frantic and friendly, but standoffish. The other was gregarious and outgoing and whenever her sister would get frantic, she would playfully pounce on her, in what appeared to be an attempt to distract or appease her.
They are almost 7 years old now and get along beautifully. For a few minutes when they first go outside from their crates , they play with each other to the exclusion of anyone or anything else. After a few minutes, they are happy to play with my other dogs and listen to me. This has gotten much better in the last year or so. They both adore me and always have. And yes, they listen! Most of the time.
Just like my other dogs. Or, it could have helped that I had to board them for a couple of months not long after I got them. They stayed in an environment where they were in day play most days of the week. They were crated together, though, and were still quite bonded when they finally came home. I adopted lab husky littermates once, a male and a female. The female was much smarter and she became the alpha. They always got along, but definitely could be kind of a handful.
They were however very codependent. The female became ill with kidney disease at age 9 and when she died the male who seemed otherwise perfectly healthy died a few days later. He just did not know what to do without her. There has been several times I have kept littermates. I have not had any problems with them not bonding with me. They do how ever, wear each other out.
But they would rather have my attention, rather than their siblings. I think a lot of that is because of the training. When I train, I train individually, then we also have a group session. I would not recommend that a beginning dog person gets siblings, or two puppies at first. But if people take the time to train on a regular bases, there are no problems. I have had all of the problems you have stated with a pair of husky mixes I took in, At first I took in one and she was a great pup, then ended up with a second from the same litter.
Almost immediately neither one would listen to anyone and it seemed if no one else was around but those two, no matter how much you called them the never seemed to notice. I did end up finding a home for one and the one I kept went right back to being a perfect pup. I always wondered if this was a common experience with litter mates. Thanks for the post now I know it usually is. We kept both puppies from a litter of two last year and did experience difficulty. It was impossible to housebreak them, they would only play with each other, and began ignoring us and the other dogs.
We separated them at about 8 mo of age by sending the male to a different home. He has now returned to us at 13 mo of age and they no longer have those same issues. At times I do let them hang out together and they love each other but I also mix it up and have them out with other dogs. I would be interested on your opinion about raising singleton litters. I believe they are a breed of their own.
This is also exactly how I think of adolescent littermates in a multigenerational working group. This is a people problem, not a dog problem most of the time. The exception can be the aggressive or bullying littermate, but I have not had many instances of those. I got them at 2 months of age, they are now 18 months.
With that being said, I would never recommend it to anyone. They play with each other if they get too rough, I break it up , but they also love being with us, and they are very lovable. They sleep together in a pen in my room, and when we are not home,they are in side by side crates in the kitchen. They still bond with their human family just fine. I do not have time to walk each one separately each day, so I am going to get them trained professionally. Also training them on the basics takes longer, but they are doing pretty good with that.
The male is extremely hyper. We are trying to work on getting him to calm down when company comes, but then the female ends up following his lead, and I have to hold back 2 strong dogs. It is a work in progress. I watch The Dog Whisperer, to try and learn how to properly train them, and teach them manners. They get along fine with other dogs, as they have spent time with others, but they are too hyper to be around young children. Several people have made the comment, and I have been thinking about this all day: How much of a difference does it make if you keep 2 pups from the same litter but have other dogs?
I can imagine that is a very different situation than having only 2 dogs in the house, both litter mates. Food for thought…. Wait to get another pup until the puppy you have now is behaving how you would like your adult dog to behave. I have a German Shorthaired Pointer pup who is now 2 years and 3 months. I personally like to get a puppy when my youngest dog is between 5 and 7 years old. That also keeps me at a very reasonable 2 or 3 dogs at a time. Also you have to remember that old dogs cost a lot of money in vet care and time too and I once ended up with 4 very old dogs all at the same time.
Dogs will go along with what the owner teaches them. It is harder to train 2 or more dogs at once, any age, mixed ages or same age or same litter, because there are two animals needing the socialization and training on their own and together.
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Let me be very clear: it is more work, it is not easier, but it is doable and the results are well worth it. It does require the owner to put in large amount of quality time for EACH dog to put in the training time. I have 4 littermates, beautifully behaved to my training and with themselves; they are superb in public and private in any combination of numbers, AND I require of them good behavior as well as good training.
Behavior and training are not the same, and dogs can amend and change behaviors with consistent expectations that include training. Yes, they were a challenge, and yes, they sometimes compete for attention and yes, they bicker. At any age? I have pretty strong feelings about this issue. Problems with litter mates is what first got me involved in dog training. When I was 12, my family got female boxer litter mates. They played constantly for the fist 18 months, and we thought all was well. Then the fights began.
They got into little spats at first, that quickly escalated into horrible battles that would leave them lacerated and bloody and me in tears. We tried all kinds of training and behavior routines, but ended up having to re home one of the dogs. Of course, sometimes unrelated dogs within a household develop aggression towards one another too. I have to say, though, that the percentage of times this happens with litter mates seems MUCH higher.
Same sex litter mates seem worse, and two females worste of all. I wish someone would conduct some research on this. Solid numbers to back these observations, which I have heard from many trainers, would be awesome. Some dog breeds have very little dog aggression hounds bred to run in packs, for instance , and are probably a lot safer choice.
Breeds that have been bred FOR some kind of animal aggression terriers and bull breeds top the list are a much greater risk. I would also encourage separating litter mates as much as possible if you do get them, and regulating rough play. The sisters saw each other pretty often, and I placed a few crucial rules on their play sessions.
Tug of war and chase were encouraged I tried to redIf play got too rough or someone got too tired, the game was ende and the girls were separated. Happy to say that they are getting along just fine! I breed Australian Shepherds and will never sell two pups to people for exactly the reasons you listed above! In fact I advise people strongly against getting a second pup until the first is at least 18 months old.
Those of us with many dogs know how powerful that is — the young pups can have next to no training and yet know how the daily routines operate and what is expected. They then get to develop their own identity and set of experiences. Then when they return home they are not allowed to spend long periods unsupervised with the littermate.
This way they have a mature mentor for guidance rather than another juvenile. I chose the breeder one because he is a life long family friend and two because his dogs have the most wonderful temperaments, prior to my husband I came from a family of cats so these were my first ever dogs. I heavily researched into their needs as dogs because I was nervous about it. They are wonderful obedient fun and loving dogs and After this experience I would have litter mates again!!
I ended up petting out the male when he was about a year old. While I discourage people from getting litter mates, I have sold 2 pups to one house. Great article Patricia! Brave too! Of course there are always people who have success and this is great. Loved to hear about the sheep trials. Wow, truly amazing how much distance you are working from your dog. As always, thanks for the good info and all you do. Yes, we adopted 2 Pyrs a brother and sister 13 yrs ago. Two different personalities yet a lot the same. Died within 6 mos of each other.
It was A LOT of work to double up on training classes, socialization opportunities, vet visits, etc. I wonder though if given their temperament, they would have been just fine with less one-on-one time at the outset. It would get awfully quiet in here otherwise…. When my Aussie was 9 months old, one of her male litter-mates was returned to the breeder and my at the time live-in partner decided to adopt him. Both Aussies were exercised seperately, and only allowed together for a few hours a day.
I had a labrador who was 4 at the time, and he was completely ignored by both Aussies, except when they slammed into him or stepped on him. To be honest it was quite a relief when my partner moved out and took his dog with him. A few things come to mind for me while reading the post and the comments.
My parents always had and still have Irish Setters growing up. At one point we got brothers from the same litter, they were 10months old. Everything was great until at the age of 5 one of them was diagnosed with inoperable bone cancer and had to be put down. The remaining brother was so depressed that he had to be put on medication until my parents were able to find another dog that was a suitable match for him. When you get two pups… each aspect of training has to be completed with both pups, plus some.
This is the WRONG reason to get two pups from the same litter, as that mentality accompanies behavior that is less beneficial for the pups — less training, less walks, less human interaction, greater predisposition for behavior issues less training, less walks, less human interaction , and then you have behavior problems for not just ONE dog, but TWO dogs. In short, many dog owners especially first time dog owners are not equipped to properly handle and provide good welfare for two puppies.
It is easier to recommend, as a broad generalization, that people do NOT make a habit of getting two pups at once due to the higher level of work and commitment involved. Sighthound litter mates generally do very well in pairs. Do your homework. A good breeder is a free veterinary and training hotline rolled into one, at no additional charge. As a responsible breeder of basset hounds, I have known bonded pairs that are extremely compatible, easy to manage and very attached to each other. With the right placement and training, the right littermates would be a lovely pairing.
I have seen it done really successfully once. I had an awesome family where each parent took one kid and each parent team ignored the other team in class. It was as if the other team did not exist. They even came in separate cars. In fact, I looked around for one of them, could not see them and asked the other where the missing team was. They looked too, shrugged their shoulders and said something about how they must have gone home. Most pairs do not do well in the same class because one dog seems ready to learn while the other spends most of the time trying to find the other dog or play.
I find if that dog can wait out for the next class series, it will often have matured enough to do better in a class setting. I have had two sets of sibling, brother and sister border collies. We never had any problem whatsoever they are very dependant on each other, but we are their no 1 and there has never been any issue with fighting, aggressive behaviour, just been a wonderful journey for all of us.
This last time we introduced another border collie pup, and they love him , no issues except to put him in his place when he needs it. They are totally devoted to us, and so loving. We do train them in obedience and agility, and they all get a turn seperately training with us and they love it. We try and take them out seperately for a run, which they like, but they like to run as a pack, and stay close to us at all times. I think it comes down to just being with your dog. We put a lot of effort into them , and it pays off. Are you familiar with the concept in social psychology of superordinate goals?
Simply put, it says that individuals or groups that are highly competitive with each other, even hostile, will reduce hostility if presented with a necessary goal that requires them to work together. The concept is a Hollywood staple for lost-on-an-island and Enemy Mine type dramas. The individuals start out hating each other but develop a type of friendship through the cooperation necessary to survive. As several people have said, that approach vastly increases both the time and energy it takes to train two dogs.
Sure, there will always be some individual sessions as needed. But when you have a group goal, it shapes both training and relationships. And I suspect it is likely to greatly reduce potential hostility. I personally have raised a set of littermates male and female from 6 weeks old and they are currently 2 years old. I agree with Kelly. It was hard raising 2 puppies at the same time but made sure they each had their own time and their own training.
My two have been the best for each other. They both play very well and I have had no issues with aggression or behavioral issues. They each have their own independence and love each other very much and I love have both of them.
I ran into this quite a bit and wrote an article to be published in Bark Magazine this Winter. In it I interviewed Dr. Ian Dunbar and Nicole Wilde, among others. When I posted it as a blog, it went viral many times. They were adored by us all and well trained. I had 2 lab sisters. My husband and I each worked with one dog and they were dear, well mannered dogs. We loved these dogs and they lived to be What they also did that was horrifying was fight each other until my house looked like a bloody crime scene.
One had a split ear and both had a few scars on their faces. We learned how to stop bad dog fights. I learned how to stop them alone when my husband traveled and only my children were home. The last one was when they were about 12 and arthritic! We spent thousands patching them up. There was no pattern to the fights. It could be food or nothing and we would go for months, even years between. They slept together and were good companions to one another. My children adored them both.
We adored both those sets of littermates. I have wondered since if knowing what I know now I would have been able to read their body language better and had improved training techniques in my toolbox. I would say be very careful, but I would not say never have litter mates. My last litter, for various reasons one of the pups stayed with us until 12 weeks of age before going to his new home.
I was therefore raising the pup I had kept, plus him. As he was going to be a therapy dog, I wanted to make sure he was going to have the best start possible. This is the first time I have raised two young pups of the same age together past the 8 -9 week mark when my pups usually go to new homes. It was a LOT of work to ensure that they had one on one time. They slept in different crates at night, and though side by side, were in different dog runs when unsupervised.
They went separately to different puppy socialisation classes and were taken separately on outings. Let me tell you I was exhausted! It is not something I would ever take on lightly. I do have friends that have also raised multiple pups successfully. Thus the pups each get the same amount of attention to care and training as they would if there were only one. Separation anxiety in particular seems to be an issue which I have seen cause problems, for example if one needs to stay at the vet, or if one dies before the other I will never forget one poodle that was inconsoleable when her littermate died.
It was heartbreaking and incredibly stressful for the dog — who refused to eat for weeks — as well as being stressful for the owner. In my classes, if families bring littermates they often find it very hard to get the dogs concentrating on them rather than the other dog I often recommend they take separate classes as even separating them in the same class sees them constantly looking for their mate.
I have also seen a number of cases where littermates, once they reach adolescence, no longer get on at all and have to be separated. I was recently looking to adopt a dachshund and found, to my delight, that there were two 3-month-old puppies that had been rescued from a bad situation and were looking for homes. I found out that particular rescue group was going to be at a Petsmart that very morning, so I grab my daughter and husband and off we went. It turned out that there were multiple people interested in adopting one of the puppies, so the puppies were not brought to Petsmart, and those interested were advised to fill out the 3 page application.
A few days later I was surprised to hear that decision-makers had gone with giving both puppies to the same home. I found that both very irritating and illogical. First, that meant they deprived a household of the joy of adopting one of these darling little boys, showing little concern for the humans involved and their reputation as a rescue group. Ultimately, that is also more likely to result in a less-than-committed relationship, many frustrations, potential neglect or abuse, and adult dogs needing new homes.
But after this experience, I gave up. Young dachshunds rarely are available for adoption, making this all the more frustrating. Thank you for confirming what my heart felt. I can see how for dogs that participate in pack activities like sledding or hunting it might be different. This may be true, somewhat, I imagine each breed and case varies greatly.
They get along fine, female is the Alpha 2 and Kohanna is the Omega of the whole pack including the bassets, he is the one to get the games going. It may be because they did not start out together, he originally started out with my daughter, until she realized she could not raise a baby human and a baby dog at the same time. So starting at probably months, he would come here, and then go for a week or 2, then during hunting he always came here to be kenneled.
But he is happy here in this pack of dogs also. He is long, tall and lean, she is more husky, short, squatty , fat. I am not sure Kohanna could handle that tho, as he is much more active than Fat Louie is very content to just lay around. I would get litter mates again. So yes, come to think of it, I have had litter mates twice, both were raised separately early on, but ended up together and I would do it again.
Never had fighting or aggression issues with the mates, it was always with the female GS with Twosox, and Ono is just now starting to try and steal food from old Alpha Basset, just because she thinks it is time for him to be old an forgotten. When he loses his Alpha status of the pack, he will die. I have watched that before also.
Pack life is very interesting, almost as interesting as horse hierarchy, except horses switch up hierarchy depending on what other horses they may be around at the time, it is quite interesting. I used to have 6 horses and I swear their herd status changed every other day! I guess in my experience I would never NOT do it, as they ARE brother an sister and groom each other and stuff just like you see in the wild. They take care of each other personally!
His Brother's Keeper
I could see this ringing true, overall. However, dogs are individuals, and I think how they relate to YOU as their master, and other dogs in the household is completely up to you. The issue I could see and have faced with two dogs close in age but from different bloodlines , is that it is very difficult to train them both, without spending time with them separately.
They can be very distracting to one another, and it can be difficult to focus training on one or the other. I have two female American Pit Bull Terriers, about 2 months apart in age. Adopted them when they were about 6 months old. I think this is because they have complimentary personalities, and they have a lot of structure in their lives. Best dogs ever. Such good girls. It was a challenge getting them trained up, being so close in age, but we have been rewarded with excellently behaved and mannered dogs.
I either buy my dogs from a purebred dog breeder who health and temperament tests the parents and posts the results to the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals OFA or I buy my pets from a shelter or rescue. There is a price either way. I have twice adopted three litter mates. Both experiences were wonderful for both the dogs and for me. They all went on to participate individually in performance events and all were successful in achieving titles. The second time was just a successful and I am enjoying the relationship between the dogs as well as watching them develop their own likes and dislikes.
All are participating in performance events that allow them to hone their talents and give them an outlet for all that puppy energy.